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we want that here in michigan. the difference between michigan and indiana is indiana is a red state. they did not vote for the president this year. this state voted for the president by nine points, so the question is, in two years, when we possibly have a new governor, possibly a new legislature, does this get overturned. will companies be willing to really come in and plant their foot here and create jobs here? that's a big question. >> they may have voted for a democratic president but they have both an assembly and senate that are majority republican. stand by for a moment. i want to bring in john avlon to bring us perspective on this. break it down, when we talk about the employment economies of states that are right to work states and states that are not right to work states. is one better than the other? >> this really gets to the heart of cutting through the spin, because there are so many partisan special interests that do the analysis. we called the bureau of labor statistics. it is clear that right to w
we want that here in michigan. the difference between michigan and indiana is indiana is a red state. they did not vote for the president this year. this state voted for the president by nine points, so the question is, in two years, when we possibly have a new governor, possibly a new legislature, does this get overturned. will companies be willing to really come in and plant their foot here and create jobs here? that's a big question. >> they may have voted for a democratic president...
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michigan state police inspector is here. good evening. >> good evening, greta. >> greta: were you outside on the grounds yesterday when this went down? >> i was all over the capitol, greta. but when this had platoons surrounding the building, keeping track of the crowd. we do know where the tents were. however, having a ground view and the tents being about 40 deep into the crowd, we were unable to see what was going on. however, when our helicopter reported that it looked like the two canopies had collapsed, we sent two platoons of troopers there to make sure that nobody was injured or trapped under the tents. by the time our troopers worked their way through the crowds, the people were out of the tents. >> greta: now, i take it no arrests were made on the scene, that you didn't get the platoons or single police officers over to the area to make the arrest for these two who had started this destruction? >> no, ma'am. a crowd of this size, this size kind of a mob-like group at that time, is very fluid. we had our hands full,
michigan state police inspector is here. good evening. >> good evening, greta. >> greta: were you outside on the grounds yesterday when this went down? >> i was all over the capitol, greta. but when this had platoons surrounding the building, keeping track of the crowd. we do know where the tents were. however, having a ground view and the tents being about 40 deep into the crowd, we were unable to see what was going on. however, when our helicopter reported that it looked...
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let me ask you this about michigan workers. there are some who actually support this new legislation. >> reporter: they do. that's a very good point, wolf. it's a minority. you have the majority of union workers that are fighting this because they think it's going to be lower wages, less bargaining power. but i spoke with a former union worker who was with ford for 16 years. i met with him first this summer when we were here in michigan covering the election and the campaign here. he's been fighting for two years to get this right to work legislation passed and here's why. you support the right to work legislation but you're going to stay a member of the union and pay those union dues. >> that's right. >> reporter: so what changes for you now? >> it will give me a voice. it will give me leverage inside the union. under current law, i can retire but i still have to pay the union so they don't care. >> reporter: and that's what is critical in all of this, wolf. the unions are going to have to make a very good case to every worker
let me ask you this about michigan workers. there are some who actually support this new legislation. >> reporter: they do. that's a very good point, wolf. it's a minority. you have the majority of union workers that are fighting this because they think it's going to be lower wages, less bargaining power. but i spoke with a former union worker who was with ford for 16 years. i met with him first this summer when we were here in michigan covering the election and the campaign here. he's...
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joining me now, politico executive editor and ron mott live in lansing, michigan. first, you, ron mott, the day after the governor rick snyder has signed the right-to-work bills, what is the labor movement planning to do next? >> well, we don't know, andrea. pretty quiet on that front, much like it is down here on the street. far different scene yesterday, of course, a lot of union workers very upset about not just this legislation that's going to wipe out a 77-year-old requirement that workers be forced to pay union dues as a condition of employment, they are upset also about how this was jammed through the legislature. this was passed in both bodies in four days time and signed by the governor last night. what the advocates of this legislation say is union shops and unions no longer can just depend on fattening up their membership roles by default, they actually have to go out and sell themselves, sell their benefits to the workforce in order to earn those memberships. so we'll see how this all changes. the law will go into effect some time in late march or early
joining me now, politico executive editor and ron mott live in lansing, michigan. first, you, ron mott, the day after the governor rick snyder has signed the right-to-work bills, what is the labor movement planning to do next? >> well, we don't know, andrea. pretty quiet on that front, much like it is down here on the street. far different scene yesterday, of course, a lot of union workers very upset about not just this legislation that's going to wipe out a 77-year-old requirement that...
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let me bring in michigan congressman levin. nice to see you. so where do we go from here? >> i think speaker boehner has to decide whether he's a leader of a dysfunctional caucus or he's going to be a speaker of the whole house, work with democrats, go back and negotiate with the president. when the speaker says there's a perception that taxes were being raised, know the reality is under his proposal some taxes were going to be raised. and he has within his caucus a group that has really radicalized the republican party and his caucus who will not vote for any increase in taxes no matter what, even though we need that increase along with spending cuts. that's their problem. they have a radical group within their ranks. as steve latourret said it's a group that would rather be martyrs to the extremists than govern. >> you refer to congressman's remarks. i would like to play it because some of our audience members have not seen it. he's a republican and here's how he assessed what happened. let's play it. >> was there any pleas by any members to encourage them to go along wi
let me bring in michigan congressman levin. nice to see you. so where do we go from here? >> i think speaker boehner has to decide whether he's a leader of a dysfunctional caucus or he's going to be a speaker of the whole house, work with democrats, go back and negotiate with the president. when the speaker says there's a perception that taxes were being raised, know the reality is under his proposal some taxes were going to be raised. and he has within his caucus a group that has really...
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but this is a battle that iff they win, they lose for the ate of michigan. >> brenda: okay. that's the last word. thank you all and thanks for joining us. so, you think coal is the worst christmas present ever? not here on bulls and bears, why that's all you should want from santa this clear. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function.
but this is a battle that iff they win, they lose for the ate of michigan. >> brenda: okay. that's the last word. thank you all and thanks for joining us. so, you think coal is the worst christmas present ever? not here on bulls and bears, why that's all you should want from santa this clear. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd...
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michigan state and made a game of it. a 28-25 lead, and they led by 2.5 it when they came back at until the second half. he will take it the coast-coast. going for the colorado state her -- a 5-point lead it. they were at 8-1. westing no time in this one.
michigan state and made a game of it. a 28-25 lead, and they led by 2.5 it when they came back at until the second half. he will take it the coast-coast. going for the colorado state her -- a 5-point lead it. they were at 8-1. westing no time in this one.
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they they are exempt in michigan. you lack sort of that piece of the messaging strategy, so what are you going to do specifically in michigan? do you have, you know, already phone banks going? are you guys going -- what is your strategic plan beyond just messaging to working people? >> i think it's that we have to organize at a level and depth we've never done before. there's a million people that are parts of unions in michigan. we're going to reach out to every one of them. we're doing a training today. we're going to do one-on-one conversations like we do in electoral activity to get every member to resign a card both for political action and for union membership, and make sure we register people to vote. we think the reason we won in ohio is baugh because bargaining matters for building the mrilgdz class, and it's the questions in michigan and in wisconsin were about candidates and issues, and so that's we think we need to expand this fight beyond simply electoral strategy and include private sector organizing, co
they they are exempt in michigan. you lack sort of that piece of the messaging strategy, so what are you going to do specifically in michigan? do you have, you know, already phone banks going? are you guys going -- what is your strategic plan beyond just messaging to working people? >> i think it's that we have to organize at a level and depth we've never done before. there's a million people that are parts of unions in michigan. we're going to reach out to every one of them. we're doing...
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michigan is primarily a rural state. this will be extremely difficult for people outside of southeastern michigan to get reproductive healthcare. so for us as nurses i think we'll have to do more education and outreach in the community. it's going to take a little time to figure out what strategies we're going to use. >> eliot: when we think of michigan, as with every state that there is diversity politically. in the right to work laws. >> right to work for less. >> eliot: exactly. do you think they provided cover for these heinous bills in the sense that so much attention was focused on them that these awful anti-choice bills were snuck in the dark of night. >> i don't think so because there is even more on the agenda. there is another emergency financial manager legislation which with legislation that governor snyder signed, it was the fourth bill that became law in his term. so less than two years ago. and our voters said, we don't want that. we just voted in november. yet on the floor we're taking up another bill on
michigan is primarily a rural state. this will be extremely difficult for people outside of southeastern michigan to get reproductive healthcare. so for us as nurses i think we'll have to do more education and outreach in the community. it's going to take a little time to figure out what strategies we're going to use. >> eliot: when we think of michigan, as with every state that there is diversity politically. in the right to work laws. >> right to work for less. >> eliot:...
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he want what is is best for michigan. >> eric: we have to go. >> dana: 57% of michigan agree. >> bob: why did they attack the innocent what did they have against camping? >> eric: they attacked a tent. crowder was trying to make sure no one got hurt inside the tent. coming up, truth about the most controversial scenes in a controversial movie "zero dark thirty." a lot of backlash over the waterboarding staged in the bin laden raid film. keep it right here. on "the five." ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] in blind taste tests, even ragu users chose prego. prego?! but i've bought ragu for years. [ thinking ] wonder what other questionable choices i've made? i choose date number 2! whooo! [ sigh of relief ] [ male announcer ] choose taste. choose prego. the red cross was down here all the time. [ man ] they've given us a lot of heart. in times of need, they're there. ♪ [ kerry ] my dad was watching his house burn. he turned around, and all of a sudden, therwas this guy standing there from the red cross. at a point where i had just lost everything, the idea that there was someone there... that
he want what is is best for michigan. >> eric: we have to go. >> dana: 57% of michigan agree. >> bob: why did they attack the innocent what did they have against camping? >> eric: they attacked a tent. crowder was trying to make sure no one got hurt inside the tent. coming up, truth about the most controversial scenes in a controversial movie "zero dark thirty." a lot of backlash over the waterboarding staged in the bin laden raid film. keep it right here. on...
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congress from michigan. more voters in michigan cast a ballot for a democratic member of congress than cast a ballot for a republican member of congress. and it was by quite a lot, by a couple 100,000 votes. overall, more michigan voters wanted to send a democrat to congress to represent them than wanted to send a republican to represent them. guess who is actually going to congress to represent them? ah, yes, republicans. michigan's congressional delegation will include almost twice as many republicans as democrats, even though more people in michigan picked a democrat when they voted for congress. republicans got nine seat and the democrats got five. what has happened in michigan is not some sort of miscounting of the votes. it is not a mistake. it is weird quite deliberately, and weird by design. elected officials draw up new districts for electing members of congress in state legislatures every ten years after the new census. well, republicans were in charge this time around in michigan, so it was the re
congress from michigan. more voters in michigan cast a ballot for a democratic member of congress than cast a ballot for a republican member of congress. and it was by quite a lot, by a couple 100,000 votes. overall, more michigan voters wanted to send a democrat to congress to represent them than wanted to send a republican to represent them. guess who is actually going to congress to represent them? ah, yes, republicans. michigan's congressional delegation will include almost twice as many...
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i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder, republican governor, hard to believe now but when he was elected he was celebrated by the national media as the anti-tea party republican. campaign as a nerd, not so much ideological. he wasn't going to do the kinds of things in michigan that john kay sich was doing in ohio and the turning point when labor in michigan tried to put a constitutional amendment -- put a constitutional amendment on the ballot out there he took as an affront and he snider in response is receptive to this legislation but i think what's interesting to watch here just quickly in the next day is this. a group of democratic c
i'm fascinated, also, by the politics of this within michigan and when's happening in michigan because this law which, you know, the final vote in the legislature will be tomorrow and the expectation is the republican governor will sign it and changes the political culture and just the working culture of michigan. talk about the right to work laws used to be just south carolina, used to be the old confederacy. to have it spread to the rust belt is dramatic. the story is governor rick snyder,...
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one moo said to me in michigan, hat's four monthh groceries. i mean that's work in gas for up to three years, i mean that's a loo of money."democrats want higher taxes on families earning 250-thousand-dollars a year and over. epublicans want tax rates to stay where they are. taxes seem to be he biggest obstacle to a coopromise. but others want to see government spending ppt in cceck."the about the addiction thht his administrrtion has to spending. he's the spender in he's wiiling to do that."i s offered over a trillion dollars in additional spending dollars of spending cuts ffr o revenue.""the senate stands in - recess"the senate reconvenes at 11-a-m. so as americans 20013, they may waae up of wishing it were 20-12, when they had more money in their pockets. i'' andrew spencer reporting. even if lawmakers don't come to ngreement tonight... you probably on't see a drastic change in yourrnext paycheck. that's ecause bussnesses likely used 20-12 withholding rates... uncertain abouttwhat would happen. happee.iffyouuwant to ee how much your taxes wo
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>>guest: why would the president spent yesterday in michigan railing against something that the michigan legislature is going to do when we are facing a few days before going over the cliff? i don't get it. unless the president things he will gain in the short temperature -- term politically by going over the cliff but long term historians put the blame on the president of the up. it may look like a gain short term, but in the long run, is that really helpful to the president's reputation in 20 or 30 years they could not get a deal and push the country into another recession or a short-term recession? >> harry reid, the majority leader, would say very unlikely we would have a deal by christmas, ostensibly we are running out of days on the calendar. if that is the case and he quibbles that the republicans have not come up with specifics, are you against running to the clinton rates or are you okay where that if it avoids the hoops of looking for like revenue? >>guest: i am in favor of anything that gets an agreement. it seems to me, why are we focusing on that narrow part of this entire s
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it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us behind the curtain and explain the relationship of the koch brothers and all of these right-to-work organizations that have been pushing this behind the scenes. >> what you see in michigan, behind the scenes as you say, are a number of grassroots groups that have names like americans for prosperity, michigan freedom fund and so forth. they are there to push lawmakers to pass right-to-work legislation, funded by some of the biggest interests on the conservative side. the koch brothers, we're talking about the prince family, eric prince used to run black w
it also has ties to the family in michigan. of course, president obama weighed in on this yesterday when he was in the state of michigan. i think the president got right to the heart of the matter and was on point. >> these so-called right-to-work laws don't have anything to do with economics. they have everything to do with politics. giving you the right to work for less money. >> joining me now is a reporter from mother jones magazine. great to have you with us, andy. take us...
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want to bring jobs to michigan. for a generation or two things are declining. they looked to other states and say we'd like to be like indiana a change our fate. >> bob: let me ask you a question. they give them five days they had to under law. the state troopers were around who were exempt from this, by the way. the governor, the person you say is a mild mannered -- >> dana: don't. >> bob: what? i haven't said anything. >> dana: you are about to say -- i know what you are about to say. it's obvious, the tactic from the left are driving me crazy. they are not going to win friends or influence people by that type of behavior or attacking me because i say that the governor is a mild mannered guy. >> bob: you say he is mild mannered. i don't know him. but maybe he is. he signed the bill, refused a signing ceremony. done behind closed doors. >> greg: unlike the healthcare bill. >> eric: it was done absolutely legally. the people of michigan -- >> bob: voters -- no, they did not. >> eric: theyer with lechted. every one o
want to bring jobs to michigan. for a generation or two things are declining. they looked to other states and say we'd like to be like indiana a change our fate. >> bob: let me ask you a question. they give them five days they had to under law. the state troopers were around who were exempt from this, by the way. the governor, the person you say is a mild mannered -- >> dana: don't. >> bob: what? i haven't said anything. >> dana: you are about to say -- i know what you...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you, it's a full-time job wading through the lies op michigan's right to work law. here's governor rick snyder offering one of the biggest reasons for supporting the law. >> indiana's had a strong experience. they've done similar legislation back in february. they've seen thousands of jobs come to indiana. and those jobs could also come to michigan. >> and when you look at indiana and see what they've achieved since february when they did similar legislation, they've gotten thousands of jobs coming to indiana because of this issue. >> all you have to do is look to indiana. and as soon as they did this legislation, thousands of jobs have come to indiana since that time frame. >> we're losing a major competitive advantage. indiana has become a right to work state. and i've looked at their pipeline. they've significantly increased the number
and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. >>> welcome back to "the ed >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you, it's a full-time job wading through the lies op michigan's right to work law. here's governor rick snyder offering one of the biggest reasons for supporting the law. >> indiana's had a strong experience....
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they don't have jobs in michigan. do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the amount of money you paid for a car that is paying for pensions of people who retired five years ago that's correct is a do youing state. one of the most beautiful states in the union and that's what happens. >> let me answer your great point. this is true. right now detroit is on the verge of bankruptcy. one of america's great cities. they have lost half their population. can go on the internet. i urge our viewers to go out there. you can buy homes in detroit for a thousand dollars. last time i was there, it was shocking how one boa
they don't have jobs in michigan. do you know, by the way, this someone of my candidates for president, rick snyder. he's a magnificent governor and bless the legislator. detroit used to have millionaires than new york. it it was a beautiful city. they almost had the eolympics there. you can see the videos of what detroit was like. first it was dried by the mob with the race riots. then it was destroyed by the unions driving the jobs abroad. and people have the precise numbers on this. the...
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he is a democrat from michigan. he has been the at forefront of labor issues in that state since the 1960s. he is obviously against what happened in the state government. we'll talk to him a little bit what is next and what does it mean for the transitioning u.s. economy. jon? jon: there are brand new developments, jenna, in the alaska serial killer case. who police say this confessed killer of a young barrista was also targeting and why he never carried out his deadly plan. >>> as a deadly bloody civil war rages in syria, the opposition gets new support from around the wormed and the united states. what president obama just said. and a look how this crisis figures in the foreign policy challenges mr. obama faces in his section term. that is -- second term. that is next. [shouting] having you ship my gifts couldn't be easier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! [ chuckles ] right, baby. oh, sir. that is a customer. oh...sorry about that. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress
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michigan voters, the overall households support. this 45% of the union households support the move. 39% of the democratic households support it. 55% of the republican households. there is momentum. they realize they have to do something. this would be a fundamental change. that could alter the history. >> eric: today's news is good example. they are chuging 40s and smoking weed in the lunch break and today they return to building cars that you and i drive the kids to school in. because of the union contract. only because of the union contracts. >> bob: c'mon, bob. you can find a video like this. >> bob: i can find it in every right to work state in the south lunch break. >> eric: they'd get fired. >> kimberly: they're not from texas. >> bob: they don't get fired in the south? >> eric: chrysler said we don't like to decision. we would have fired them but they can't. >> kimberly: they have protection. bostonright to work means whoever is not a union member gets the sweat they put in to it to get the good jobs. they're scabs because th
michigan voters, the overall households support. this 45% of the union households support the move. 39% of the democratic households support it. 55% of the republican households. there is momentum. they realize they have to do something. this would be a fundamental change. that could alter the history. >> eric: today's news is good example. they are chuging 40s and smoking weed in the lunch break and today they return to building cars that you and i drive the kids to school in. because of...
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topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition of employment. republican governor schneider saying that he'll sign that bill right away making michigan the 24th state with the right to work. >>> yesterday president obama joined the chorus of voices condemning this move. >> by the way, what we shouldn't do, i just got to say this, what we shouldn't be doing is taking away your right to bargain for better wages. giving you the right to work for less money. >> nbc is live from lansing, michigan, and from detroit i'm joined by michigan democratic congressman gary peters. ron, i'm going to start with you. d
topping the agenda this hour, breaking news out of michigan. the fight coming to a head over that state's right to work law as thousands of protesters swarched the state capital. union supporters are rallying around the capital building itself in lansing as gop lawmakers from both state houses vote on a bill that would significantly weaken union rights in a state considered one of the cradles of the labor movement. the law prohibits workers from being required to pay union dues as a condition...
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and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reverbalable? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the communities. and make it crystal clear that snyder can't get away with this by building a more powerful worker community movement in the state of michigan and rebuilding a middle class, not just in michigan, but all across this country. >> supporters of these laws, i don't really like to call them right-to-work laws, i think it's just framing. but support sayers why should you, if you have been hired by an employer, gm maybe, why should you have to pay to be represented by a union that you didn't vote for and maybe th
and in michigan. is there in your meetings, is there a strategy for coming back? are these setbacks seen as reverbalable? >> well, ezra, i see it as a reawake inning of people. dispiriting because the attacks have been so relentless. it's a attacks on workers, on planned parenthood, on immigrants. it's all connected in our minds. so we are reawakening and going to build a powerful movement that we're going to build power in the workplace, build power at the ballot box, build power in the...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function. get your first full prescription free and save on refills at advaircopd.com. >>> welcome back to "the ed show." thanks for watching tonight. i tell you,
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i'm curious about the rank-and-file union members in michigan or the people in michigan, what are they thinking or saying about this battle? >> we've heard really from both sides. there's a group that support right to work that say they want more freedom from their unions but more accountability from their unions. right to work could give them that. the other side which is obviously the more loud voice right now of unions saying this will diminish their power and influence and hurt workers leading to fewer jobs, lower wages, and that sort of consequences. >> greta: would it be fair to say that the popularity of unions in michigans is split? >> i don't know if you could say it's split. i mean, obviously one side is louder than the other at this point. it's hard to tell. >> greta: indeed, we've seen the storming of your state capitol. that's been quite a sight which has certainly put a national spotlight on this. i don't know if it's something the unions and the governor want, but you sure got it. >> definitely. it looks like come tuesday that could be the same as well and if not possibl
i'm curious about the rank-and-file union members in michigan or the people in michigan, what are they thinking or saying about this battle? >> we've heard really from both sides. there's a group that support right to work that say they want more freedom from their unions but more accountability from their unions. right to work could give them that. the other side which is obviously the more loud voice right now of unions saying this will diminish their power and influence and hurt...
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it was in ojaio and in michigan?! cadillac square. that's detroit, where the democratic candidates launched their campaigns. >> greta: wroont you agree that private-sector unions are much different in in terms of historically, needing protection and gathering together -- pooling resources. >> i'm a union guy. i am in aftra/sag. i pay dues and i don't have to. i was a journalist in 1962. the editor hired me and they said, you have to join the union in 60 months or you will be fired. the union said, have you to pay for a union strike in new york, or we will get you fired when i was writing editorials against the strike in new york. so this is the -- it is that kind of coercion, which is coming to an end, everywhere. you heard it right here. the folks in michigan said, we looked at indiana, they are gettingions, businesses are coming in there. that's why we did it. they look south, where are the foreign companies coming? spartanburg, south carolina, bmwar plants, mercedes, tuscaloosa. volkswagen volkswagen, chattanooga, nissan plant. whe
it was in ojaio and in michigan?! cadillac square. that's detroit, where the democratic candidates launched their campaigns. >> greta: wroont you agree that private-sector unions are much different in in terms of historically, needing protection and gathering together -- pooling resources. >> i'm a union guy. i am in aftra/sag. i pay dues and i don't have to. i was a journalist in 1962. the editor hired me and they said, you have to join the union in 60 months or you will be fired....
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. >> brendawell, jonas, dn't michigan, didn't detroit already get a bailout. >> yes, it was called t auto bailo. and before the election, unformer. two admistrations that did that. everyone wts a bailout and the president's going to get your votes one way or the other. question is coming up more broadly, right now new jersey and an other of states getting a huge one because it s a cast catastrophe. >> and if it's beyond your control and-- >> the case is we voted for you, we get a bailout. >> and on the other side, detroit is in a multi-decade collapse that is beyond the scope, it's almost lik a hurricane. and i'm not saying it's totally insane for nem to get a disproportionate amount-- >> gary b, you le in maryland, should you and maryland be paying for what detroit or michigan is deciding to do with unions and pensns and how they got themselves in this mess in the first place? >> exactly, brenda. i kind of agree with jonas. i'm not sure i'd be so quick bail out cities with national catastrophes. they decided to live there and build there. but jonas it right, a lot of cities like det
. >> brendawell, jonas, dn't michigan, didn't detroit already get a bailout. >> yes, it was called t auto bailo. and before the election, unformer. two admistrations that did that. everyone wts a bailout and the president's going to get your votes one way or the other. question is coming up more broadly, right now new jersey and an other of states getting a huge one because it s a cast catastrophe. >> and if it's beyond your control and-- >> the case is we voted for you,...
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. >> plus, fighting the poll gram in michigan. the plan to fight for democracy, the right wing media distracts with this. [bleep]. >> we'll tell you what's really happening and why they have it all wrong. you're watchi ining "politics nation" on msnbc. ...so as you can see, geico's customer satisfaction is at 97%. mmmm tasty. and cut! very good. people are always asking me how we make these geico adverts. so we're taking you behind the scenes. this coffee cup, for example, is computer animated. it's not real. geico's customer satisfaction is quite real though. this computer-animated coffee tastes dreadful. geico. 15 minutes could save you 15 % or more on car insurance. someone get me a latte will ya, please? up high! ok. don't you have any usefull apps on that thing? who do you think i am, quicken loans? ♪ at quicken loans, our amazingly useful mortgage calculator app allows you to quickly calculate your mortgage payment based on today's incredibly low interest rates... right from your iphone or android smartphone. one more way
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my name is jared townsend from michigan. to all the candidates, tell me your position on gun control as myself and other americans really want to know if our babies are safe. this is my baby, purchased under the 1994 gun ban. please tell me your views. thank you. >> senator biden, are you going to be able to keep his baby safe? >> i tell you what, if that's his baby, he needs help. [ applause ] i think he just made an admission against self-interest. i don't know that he is mentally qualified to own that gun. i'm being serious. look, this idea, we go around talking about people who own -- i'm the guy that originally wrote the assault weapons ban. look, we should be working with law enforcement right now to make sure that we protect people against people who don't -- are not capable of knowing what to do with a gun. >> time. >> because they're either mentally unbalanced and/or because they have a criminal record. >> time. >> anyway. >> we got one more question. >> i hope he doesn't come looking for me. >> that was july of 200
my name is jared townsend from michigan. to all the candidates, tell me your position on gun control as myself and other americans really want to know if our babies are safe. this is my baby, purchased under the 1994 gun ban. please tell me your views. thank you. >> senator biden, are you going to be able to keep his baby safe? >> i tell you what, if that's his baby, he needs help. [ applause ] i think he just made an admission against self-interest. i don't know that he is mentally...
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a big union fight in michigan. michigan the home of the powerful auto unions could become a right to work state. the governor is expected to sign a new law tomorrow, right to work, michigan, 24th state. unions have been protesting and bigger demonstrations are planned. listen to this: stuart: got pretty noisy. all right, all rise, judge andrew napolitano is here. judge, welcome back. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: now i think -- if a state becomes right to work, essentially that means that a union may not force its members to contribute dues. union membership becomes voluntary. am i right? >> well i would state it slightly differently, but we end up at the same point. in a right to work state, the state does not force people to join unions. stuart: okay. >> in a nonright to work state, it is a law that you join or contribute to the unions. so if you choose not to join, your employer is required to deduct from your salary the dues for the union and remit it to the union, whether you physically join, sign up the paper
a big union fight in michigan. michigan the home of the powerful auto unions could become a right to work state. the governor is expected to sign a new law tomorrow, right to work, michigan, 24th state. unions have been protesting and bigger demonstrations are planned. listen to this: stuart: got pretty noisy. all right, all rise, judge andrew napolitano is here. judge, welcome back. >> thank you, stuart. stuart: now i think -- if a state becomes right to work, essentially that means that...
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and filmmaker from michigan, michigan native michael moore is here with reaction to governor snyder's move and how he plans to fight back. stay tuned. try running four.ning a restaurant is hard, fortunately we've got ink. it gives us 5x the rewards on our internet, phone charges and cable, plus at office supply stores. rewards we put right back into our business. this is the only thing we've ever wanted to do and ink helps us do it. make your mark with ink from chase. avoid bad.fats. don't go over 2000... 1200 calories a day. carbs are bad. carbs are good. the story keeps changing. so i'm not listening... to anyone but myself. i know better nutrition when i see it: great grains. great grains cereal starts whole and stays whole. see the seam? more processed flakes look nothing like natural grains. you can't argue with nutrition you can see. great grains. search great grains and see for yourself. for multi grain flakes that are an excellent source of fiber try great grains banana nut crunch and cranberry almond crunch. darrell hasn't been able to visit his mom back east in a long time.
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take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your moisturizer do that? [ female announcer ] dermatologist recommended aveeno has an oat formula, now proven to build a moisture reserve, so skin can replenish itself. that's healthy skin for life. only from aveeno. look this isn't my first christmas. these deals all seem great at the time... but later... [ shirt ] merry christmas, everybody! not so much. ho ho ho! this isn't that kind of deal. [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. save on ground shipping at fedex office. to the best vacation sp(all) the gulf! [ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. it doesn't matter which
take you there live to michigan for the latest. >>> signs of hope. are president obama and speaker boehner about to give birth to a two-party fiscal cliff deal? how both sides are trying to meet in the sensible center. >>> and history making newlyweds. robbie perry and paris prince are the first male couple to be celebrated four their wedding in "jet" magazine's famous love section. the men join me on their history making moment and breaking stereotypes. can your...
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we didn't have right to work in michigan and in the last decade from 2000 to 2010 wages in michigan went down substantially. we went from being in the teens of the 50 states to being 40th. so we saw a significant drop not being a right-to-work state. the last couple years we started coming back up, i view this as an opportunity for more people to have work and to have better jobs. just this last week we are ranked number three for high tech job growth in the entire country. and if you look at most of those jobs aren't going to be unionized and they are going to be good paying jobs. this is all about more and better jobs and good paying jobs. it's going to work in michigan. >> bill: i have got to ask you about detroit which is a city on the verge of collapse. we think mayor dave bing is a good guy. maybe i'm wrong. i don't follow it that closely. detroit has no money. can't pay its bills. who is going to bail out detroit or is the whole structure going to collapse. >> there is not going to be a bailout of detroit in terms of state resources. as a practical matter what the real issue is is
we didn't have right to work in michigan and in the last decade from 2000 to 2010 wages in michigan went down substantially. we went from being in the teens of the 50 states to being 40th. so we saw a significant drop not being a right-to-work state. the last couple years we started coming back up, i view this as an opportunity for more people to have work and to have better jobs. just this last week we are ranked number three for high tech job growth in the entire country. and if you look at...
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the michigan republican congressman who is here to say what his party shouldn't do. congressman, your fear came on taxes. don't do it. >>guest: given the deals we are talking abouts we should not cave on taxes when the amount of spending cuts over 10 years are a drop in the bucket. >>neil: so, when you lost the committee leadership assignment, did that opposition play into that? did speaker boehner say if you were quieter you would still be if a key role? >>guest: well, speaker boehner's staff have not talked to me. the only talking they have done is to the press off the record and anonymously so i have not heard anything directly from the speaker and, look be it is not about who will compromise or who will work with democrats or who will do what is right for our country is what matters. right now, the kind of things we hear from both the speaker and the president are not what is great for our country. we need were bigger spending cuts, we can talk about taxes but it needs to be part of a larger deal that balances our budget. >>neil: so, congressman, you are not aver
the michigan republican congressman who is here to say what his party shouldn't do. congressman, your fear came on taxes. don't do it. >>guest: given the deals we are talking abouts we should not cave on taxes when the amount of spending cuts over 10 years are a drop in the bucket. >>neil: so, when you lost the committee leadership assignment, did that opposition play into that? did speaker boehner say if you were quieter you would still be if a key role? >>guest: well,...
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the scene in michigan today looked familiar. it looked like the scenes in indiana and in ohio and in wisconsin where those states voted to take away the rights of unions. in fact, it was exactly that kind of scene michigan governor rick snyder, a republican, had said he wanted to avoid. in february, governor snyder looked at those other midwestern states with republican governors and workers protesting in the state capital and decided he did not want that thing in michigan, not in his historically very strong union state. governor snyder said, "you look at now that they've had those things happen, do they have a productive environment to solve problems? not necessarily. they're still overcoming the divisiveness, the hard feelings from all of that." at the time reporters wanted to know whether rick snyder would support what is known as a right to work law. the idea of right to work is simple. under a right to work law, employees of a union shop don't have to pay union dues. the employees get the benefit of the union, the higher w
the scene in michigan today looked familiar. it looked like the scenes in indiana and in ohio and in wisconsin where those states voted to take away the rights of unions. in fact, it was exactly that kind of scene michigan governor rick snyder, a republican, had said he wanted to avoid. in february, governor snyder looked at those other midwestern states with republican governors and workers protesting in the state capital and decided he did not want that thing in michigan, not in his...
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thousands protesting inside and outside the capitol, the republican controlled state legislature in michigan voted right to work legislation. it prohibits unions from collecting fees. critics say the move only applies to the private sector will weaken bargaining power for unions,s supporting including reich sni rick snyder says it will make them more competitive. the home, if you will, the unofficial home, of the labor movement, is now a right-to-work state. that's going to make for an interesting 2014 state campaign there. >>> the final race of 20912 election set for tomorrow thanks to the crazy ways louisiana does things. they have a run-off for a congressional race. it's a battle pitting the newly redrawn third district. it's republican versus republican there. >>> well, good news on the jobs front. helping to boost the markets at the opening bell. we've been telling you the november jobs report showed 146,000 jobs added for the month. top estimates all over the place by more than 50% tempering the optimism a bit, though, downward revisions both in september and october showing employers
thousands protesting inside and outside the capitol, the republican controlled state legislature in michigan voted right to work legislation. it prohibits unions from collecting fees. critics say the move only applies to the private sector will weaken bargaining power for unions,s supporting including reich sni rick snyder says it will make them more competitive. the home, if you will, the unofficial home, of the labor movement, is now a right-to-work state. that's going to make for an...
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on the heels of the michigan's right-to-work law. union leaders are focusing on upcoming gubernatorial elections. at the same time, looking at options on how to appeal the laws already in effect. the huffington post points out there's a slew of lawsuits, citizen's initiative, repealing legislation and line item veto. opponents' right-to-work laws are formulating a strategy of their own. if they got michigan perhaps this is where they'd move next. the top five states with unionized workforces. joining me democratic strategy steven albendor. high taxpayer debt could be the next after michigan. which next state might be in the cross hairs? >> the most interesting thing to me, indiana started this trend. all businesses started locating towards indiana. i'm originally from illinois. operations like a right-to-work state like indiana and now michigan, that puts a lot of pressure on people right now mop where are the jobs? essentially this is about jobs. what michigan is trying to do is get more competitive. people are leaving michigan beca
on the heels of the michigan's right-to-work law. union leaders are focusing on upcoming gubernatorial elections. at the same time, looking at options on how to appeal the laws already in effect. the huffington post points out there's a slew of lawsuits, citizen's initiative, repealing legislation and line item veto. opponents' right-to-work laws are formulating a strategy of their own. if they got michigan perhaps this is where they'd move next. the top five states with unionized workforces....
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>>> incredible scenes out of lansing, michigan. earlier today the michigan legislature passed the right to work bill essentially ending mandatory union payments all in a state that gave birth to u affi aw. goes to members desk. live in lansing, joe. >> reporter: well, it got ugly here a little while ago. the demonstrators parked in front of the capital most of the day. this is the scene just outside the capital across the street and in front of the governor's office. massive state police troopers have tried to force the crowd north down the streets to try to get them from the front of the governor's office. we understand the governor is going to sign this legislation any minute now or any time this afternoon. as can you see there's a very, very large standoff, if you will, right now, both front and back of us of supporters of organized labor in the state of michigan and elsewhere, as well as michigan state police trooper trying to keep some sort of semblance of order here. again, the house in michigan passed legislation earlier tod
>>> incredible scenes out of lansing, michigan. earlier today the michigan legislature passed the right to work bill essentially ending mandatory union payments all in a state that gave birth to u affi aw. goes to members desk. live in lansing, joe. >> reporter: well, it got ugly here a little while ago. the demonstrators parked in front of the capital most of the day. this is the scene just outside the capital across the street and in front of the governor's office. massive...
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we think of michigan as a union state. the margin was 58-42. the same day that barack obama won the state by ten points. i wonder your paper and the detroit news has been absolutely killing them over this. the free press has been killing snyder over this and endorsed him and turned completely. i wonder if that is indicative of a backlash this is not about the law itself. is there a backlash about the way it's happening and he said he wouldn't do this and a lame duck session. is there a backlash about the way this happened? >> absolutely. everyone is pretty angry about that. up until last tuesday, governor snyder said this was not on his agenda. it was too devicive and didn't want to deal with it. he came back and said it's on my agenda for a thoughtful discussion and by thursday the house and senate passed it without any public hearings and input or committee hearings. people are upset about how it was passed. republican had to get it done in the lame duck. after january they may not have been able to get it done. the republicans still will hav
we think of michigan as a union state. the margin was 58-42. the same day that barack obama won the state by ten points. i wonder your paper and the detroit news has been absolutely killing them over this. the free press has been killing snyder over this and endorsed him and turned completely. i wonder if that is indicative of a backlash this is not about the law itself. is there a backlash about the way it's happening and he said he wouldn't do this and a lame duck session. is there a backlash...
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i dare you to come to michigan. stuart: i have been to michigan. i have seen it. stuart: apparently rise or close. stuart: they were not. blinded by -- [talking over each other] >> please come back. stuart: a pleasure, thanks very much. the judge is here. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: your patience and diligence in attempting to interrogate somebody who didn't want to answer your questions. stuart: what about this right. you heard what the mayor was saying. make your comment. judge napolitano: writes don't come from the constitution. the constitution does make congress shall grant freedom of speech but shall not interfere with freedom of speech. a right comes for marriage humanity. the constitution restrain the government from interfering with our rights. do we have a natural right to associate? we do and that right is protected in the constitution. do we have the right not to associate? we do and that right is protected in the constitution so if people want to form a labor union they are free to do so it has protected and given us aspect of our live
i dare you to come to michigan. stuart: i have been to michigan. i have seen it. stuart: apparently rise or close. stuart: they were not. blinded by -- [talking over each other] >> please come back. stuart: a pleasure, thanks very much. the judge is here. [talking over each other] judge napolitano: your patience and diligence in attempting to interrogate somebody who didn't want to answer your questions. stuart: what about this right. you heard what the mayor was saying. make your...
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the fiscal cliff come early to the workers of michigan.
the fiscal cliff come early to the workers of michigan.
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and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what the republicans are going to do, what the republicans might do differently now, but this isn't about talking. in michigan we are seeing what they are doing. are these guys an outlier or is this representative of what we should expect from republicans around the country and in d.c. after this election? joining us now is gene robinson, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for the "washington post" and an msnbc political analyst. mr. robinson, it is great to have you here tonight. >> it is great to be here, rachel. >> i would not have expected
and this is how michigan works these days. this is why rick snyder is making michigan famous for the most radical state governments in the nation. they treat democracy there like a coin toss. it's one of those coin tosses where if it's heads they win. but if it's tails you lose. do you want to flip again? what has happened in michigan so far is the most dramatic manifestation of how the republican party intends to govern in response to the last election. there's been a lot of talking about what...
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michigan is on the rebound and right to work is going to be very divisive. this will add to the divisiveness in the state. that is something that the governor said we can't do this now, it's going to be too divisive and all of a sudden it's getting pushed through. >> the unions played a role in the auto restructure, a positive role. they made many concessions. it's just a ridiculously political thing to do. that's all it is. >> one of the ways in which the republicans are fully exploiting 2010. democrats made a serious calculation not seriously organizing in '10, a lot of gerrymandering and republicans come in and he want to take these rust belt states way from democrats and one thing is to defend the only tenty i that has enough money to compete with republican money that is unions. >> and organization too. >> and organization. foot soldiers. those are where the white working-class voters that still vote for democrats exist and unions are a big part of that. >> an ongoing debate, one that ben is not satisfied with. >> somebody has to take the other side of
michigan is on the rebound and right to work is going to be very divisive. this will add to the divisiveness in the state. that is something that the governor said we can't do this now, it's going to be too divisive and all of a sudden it's getting pushed through. >> the unions played a role in the auto restructure, a positive role. they made many concessions. it's just a ridiculously political thing to do. that's all it is. >> one of the ways in which the republicans are fully...